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  MSNBC    Morning Joe    News/Business. Joe Scarborough, Mika Brzezinski & Willie  
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    August 16, 2013
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you if you could change the rules of baseball, what would you do? it natalie has some of your responses. >> jason said bring back morgan na, the kissing bandit. that was actually al entertainer who would rush and would kiss m baseball players. >> i remember that. yeah. and that's where hooters inspired their outfits from. do you see that? and they have lived very well into this day. so that's going to do it for "way too early." thanks for joining us. "morning joe" starts right now. hey, good morning. it's friday, august 16th. as you look at new york. it's going to be a nice day. the last couple days, as nice of weather as we've had in august which means it's going to be -- look at that. thank you, chopper 4. it t.j., do we have our own chopper? wait a second. we don't even have our own lights in the studio. >> no, they're working. >> the lights are working today.
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wow. that is fantastic. oh, my gosh. i thought i was going to have to bring in a flashlight. very exciting, such special day former governor of pennsylvania and also thomas roberts playing john mccain walking in front of the day, assistant managing editor leigh gallagher and thomas roberts. >> my first day in television. i'm sorry. >> you're doing a good job. also -- >> welcome. >> thanks. >> i hope it works out well for you. >> all uphill from here. >> we'll see. in washington, we got former white house press secretary and msnbc contributor robert gibbs. you know, ed, we need to talk to robert before we get -- we got a lot of stuff to talk about today. >> sure. >> i mean a lot of news around the world, including bob filner, sexually harassing a great grandmother. >> no. >> no, i swear. i'm going to show you the clip in a second into no. >> before we get into that, we need an intervention here. robert, i have a feeling robert can call the white house and help them still with the press.
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>> absolutely. >> that's what he does. >> absolutely. >> here's the deal. i don't expect my president, after he handles a world crisis, to go sharpen his hatchet blades in altoona, pennsylvania, even though that's a manly thing to do, that's a strong thing and after the president's press conference, he went to sharpen his hatchets in altoona. no. this president gives a press conference, robert, and then right after that, he goes golfing at mink meadows club in martha's vineyard. come on. >> is there such a place? >> there is such a place. >> meadows? >> come on. >> mi-i-n-k those little guys that run around. >> they make great coats. >> i don't think dick morris polled that for you, did he? like bill clinton famously? >> i doubt it. quibble with your name of the golf club. >> yes, it is. i'm being shallow right now. come on. >> it doesn't sound like one
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of -- doesn't sound like a long golf course. it sounds more like a putt-putt. >> yeah. sounds pretty simple here. and also bob filner, did you hear the grandma story? >> i saw her too and gave a press conference. gloria allred repping her. >> it's not a grandmother. it's a great grandmother. let's get the news. in san diego the number of women accusing mayor bob filner, i decided to go with this one first, advances and it's risen to 16 among to peggy shannon, 67-year-old great grandmother who works part-time for the senior citizen service desk at city hall spoke publicly for the first time last night. >> on the day that mayor filner grabbed me and kissed me i was so surprised. i went home and cried. i just felt so sad. on the day that mayor filner came by my desk and asked me if i thought he would go eight hours in one night, i was
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shocked. that he would say that to me. >> what are we going to do with this filner thing? come on, ed. you're a democrat. >> this defies explanation. >> thank god he's a democrat. we've suffered through a lot, we republicans. thank god bob filner is a democrat. >> it's bounced out. >> it's balanced out. >> in my book i wrote that there are now 17 people who voted for bill clinton's impeachment who have gotten involved in their own sex scandal. >> exactly. >> 17. >> but now we got -- you democrats have weiner, you got -- >> we're on a roll. >> spitzer and thank god, you got bob filner because he -- i mean this sounds like something -- it sounds -- >> we're on a roll. >> i'm sorry. >> but what is not balanced out is that this clearly shows that we just need more women in government. >> exactly. >> more women everywhere. it is about balance, about -- you know, i -- it's just -- >> leigh, more women have to step up and run. >> true. and they are and they will. >> we have a problem in pennsylvania getting qualified
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women to step up and run. >> wow. >> all right. despite widespread calls to resign and a petition, mayor filner is staying put. even saying as your mayor i am committed to moving san diego forward. >> stay classy, san diego. >> stay classy, san diego. >> coming up next, what -- what san diego means in german. now on to anthony weiner's freefall, it continues. see this new poll? and nbc 4/"wall street journal" marist poll, how many news organizations can you get together on one poll. show his support continues to crater. now bill de blasio, he's rising, tied with christine quinn who was on the show yesterday. bill thomas down at 18%, and anthony weiner at 11%. de blasio man he's caught fire. >> the interesting thing about new york, if no one gets 50% it's a runoff. no one is going to get 50 so the question is, can thompson sneak into second place?
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if he does he has an excellent chance in a runoff. >> robert gibbs, look at this ad. de blasio ad. >> i want to tell you a little bit about bill de blasio. he's the only democrat with the guts to really break from the bloomberg years. the only one who will raise taxes on the rich, to fund early childhood and afterschool programs. he's got the boldest plan to build affordable housing and he's the only one who will end a stop and frisk era that unfairly targets people of color. bill de blasio will be a mayor for every new yorker no matter where they live or what they look like. i would say that even if he weren't my dad. >> that's a great ad. robert gibbs, great ad. and it looks like this guy is catching fire just at the right time. >> well, and i -- you see in that ad, the sort of underlying message against christine quinn, that is, you know, can you break from the mike bloomberg era and i think she's had a hard time. you saw it in the debate the other night, breaking from that era, and i think, you know, bill
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de blasio has filled the hole that has been left in this race because quite frankly nobody has really captured it. we've had probably now, i think we've seen a poll where each of these four candidates was at one point on top. >> yeah. bounces all around, including, of course, anthony weiner. that ain't happening anymore, though. you're going to have quinn on today. >> we have christine quinn on at 11:00, want to talk about how those polls have tightened up. >> she wouldn't answer my question. >> about the animal stuff? >> the first thing i asked was, if anthony -- you know, i figured -- she don't want to talk about anthony weiner. what are we going to do? i start out by asking her if anthony weiner were a tree, what kind of tree would he be? i got some great responses on twitter which i can't repeat. >> you can't tell us. check out your twitter feed. so we can look at them. >> we have her at 11:00 and as the governor points out, bill dees blass yo is, you know, right now an interesting guy catching fire at the right time because of stop and frisk has taken a lot of the oxygen out of
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the room and brought that up to be a very pivotal part of the campaign for christine quinn. she stands in the shadows of mayor bloomberg and what he's done, but bill de blasio is getting credit for how he's talking about stop and frisk and his son dante appears in the ad. the headlines have been in new york papers about the stupendous afro showing his kids, you know, would be primary targets for something like this, for looking suspicious or for falling into a minority. >> yeah. >> although this resonates with voters. >> joe said it, you said it he's peaking at the right time. maybe not. he may be peaking a couple weeks too early. if you're an underdog, the time to peak is about a week to go where it's too late for the other side to train their attacks on you. there is time to turn their attacks on de blasio. >> i'll tell you, we also talking about early, we're already seeing a showdown in
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2016. rand paul, you know, this guy and chris christie are going after each other. his most vocal supporters are saying he should run for president in 2016. and his father, ron paul, is already weighing in, hammering his son's potential competitors, most notably going after in a big way chris christie. >> if you were the republican nominee in 2016 you wouldn't vote for him? >> no. no, i wouldn't. i wouldn't do it because he offers nothing, no change. status quo. more big government. and that's not what i've been about. but he talks about well, you have to, you know, bend your rules and compromise in order to get elected so you can run the government and govern. well, there's more to it than that. more to it than just power and to say and do anything you want, just to be in government, you have to believe in something and understand economics or you just keep doing the same thing and deficits keep running up. >> yeah. of course the only problem with what ron paul said -- by the way, i said i voted for the guy back in, you know, 2012.
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but what he's saying about chris christie, robert gibbs, just isn't true. i mean, he's not going around. chris christie is not going around saying we're going to bend rules and compromise to get elected. no. he's saying -- i mean don't talk to unions in new jersey and say that chris christie compromises too much. don't talk to the democrats that he's rolled over in new jersey to a 71, 72, 73% approval rating. >> right. >> it shows ron paul even the other day took a shot at me saying i was a defender of the status quo and the establishment or something silly like that because i mean we just -- we're the alternative media source here, of course. but anyway just because i didn't think rand paul was going to get elected president, which i don't think is an outrageous thing to say, looks like ron paul is out basically playing wing man to his son already. >> well, i thought it was
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interesting, you know, those reports that christie in speaking to the gop meeting said i'm about winning not about a debating society. not here to have these theoretical debates. the biggest problem for chris christie is if you look at the lineup of candidates, the ted cruzs of the world, rand pauls of the world show in some ways that primary is going to be an ideological primary, it is going to be a debate about the direction and the scope of what the party is going to stand for. it's not just going about to be who can win an election. that tends to be what happens when you have an open seat. you'll have a more ideological primary. i think that's what republicans should get ready for. >> i have to say, ed, though, if i'm chris christie, i'm thrilled that ted cruz and marco rubio -- >> absolutely. >> and rand paul, and rick santorum are all going out to iowa, all -- you know what, they're going to be a thousand
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people thinking i'm going to win this from the right and they're going to chop each other up and then have a guy with a 72% approval rating in new jersey going out there and you get 25, 30% of the vote, you win. >> i always believed the -- a moderate could win the republican primaries by being the only moderate in the field. >> how fascinating do we call chris christie a moderate? which is a republican -- >> republican primary -- >> in the republican stakes that's a moderate. this guy is the first pro life republican to be governor since roe v. wade, right? >> right. >> he's extraordinarily conservative on budgetary issues. conservative on union issues. the guy is a free market eyre and yet he's a moderate? >> in the republican party. >> that's what i'm saying. >> memorial service this wednesday up in scranton, pa, bill scranton could not fit in today's republican party. there would be no place for a bill scranton and his republican party. >> he would be the moderate wing
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of the republican party and chris christie would be the very conservative wing of the party. >> but chris is clearly in this field, the moderate and one moderate versus three or four conservatives, it's lining up very well. >> it lines up very well fors the moderate. but he did say not only did he say we're not a debating society, he said something that i say all the time. it's about winning. at the end of the day, you want to get bill buckley said it all the time, you want to get the most -- if you're a republican, the most conservative you can -- the most conservative candidate you can get that can win. chris christie said that yesterday. we're not a debating society. we're a political operation that needs to win. i'm in this business to win. i think some folks who believe our job is to be college professors, college professors are fine, i guess, being a college professor, they basically spout out ideas but nobody ever does anything about them. for our ideas to matter, we have to win because if we don't win we don't govern and if we don't govern all we do is shout into the wind. i couldn't agree with that more.
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if you're a republican, and you care about what republicans care about, do you really want barack obama to be president for eight years and appoint supreme court justices for eight years and then have hillary clinton for eight more years and appoint supreme court justices for eight more years? are you going to take such extreme positions you're going to chase voters that want to vote republican, to the democratic party again. >> but in the broader spectrum of things how do you stick to core conservative principles and say what you want to say and still get elected and then as chris christie is pointing out and you always point out too, you got to get elected. you got to win. the ability to win, that's the big deal. but you got to match up what you say to get elected and then what you do once you get elected. we've been talking about boston and what's going on at the rnc, the meeting up there, a source wrote me yesterday, i had sean spicer on, talking about how they're trying to include minority groups more. >> right. >> a source wrote me from d.c. saying just saw the segment with
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sean spicer had to laugh out loud. my perspective on gop autopsy and follow through on it's probably what you suspected is all talk, no action. while the republicans are talking about this autopsy and newt gingrich talking about hope and we need to have a more hopeful message it is good talk but where is the action? >> and by the way, people like sean spicer and other leaders in the party want them to move. the problem is, it's the politico, top politico story, eve of destruction. i think it's a little melodramatic, but how republicans all the things that you go talk to republican leaders that are in charge in washington, d.c., or that want to be in charge in 2016 off the record, robert gibbs, they are more depressed and they are more down today, it's -- it's -- mike allen and jim vandehei wrote this article -- than they were after barack obama's re-election. that things have gotten even worse inside the party. >> well, i guess in some ways i find that hard to believe
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because i don't -- i think they thought they were going to win in 2012 and that didn't happen. >> right. >> it is clear and i don't think the party will have a standard bearer for quite some time. they're going to have these interparty discussions. i would say the only problem with what you and what governor rendell outlined is, the primaries, the caucuses, this process is not dominated by anything other than very, very strict social and economic conservatives. look at the debate we've had over the last sort of two weeks in the republican party. it is -- we're not going to have debates on places like nbc or cnn. we're going to have our own debates, mostly on fox. they might even be moderated like people like sean hannity and rush limbaugh. this is not -- the primary process is not one that drags out moderates to pick a presidential candidate. i mean, look, i agree that chris christie, when you look at the sheer spectrum of him, is not a moderate. >> no. he's a conservative.
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>> but in this process as a moderate, he will get eaten alive but the republican party is not in danger of electing or nominating a moderate in this process. >> moderate is now defined and let's -- i'll give you the last word on this and move on. moderate is now defined by some people on the hard right as simply hating barack obama. newt gingrich said, charles krauthammer said on the government shutdown idea, as scott walker has said, as other fire brand conservatives have said, we can't be defined by what we're not. we have to be defined by what we believe and what we are. >> i think robert is slightly wrong. he's right about the makeup of the general primary voter. >> right. >> but chris christie in a field of five, doesn't have to get more than 31, 32%. >> yeah. >> to be a very viable candidate and there are still, i believe, 30% of those republican voters who will vote for someone who's rationale and has a chance to
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win. >> no doubt about it. they want to win. obviously just horrible events continuing to unfold after two days of deadly crackdowns in egypt. the muslim brotherhood is calling for a day of anger with anti-coup rallies around the country. more than 600 reported dead, 3500 wounded and images of blood soaked streets continue to pour in and so do the international outcries against egypt's military. the u.s. has canceled the planned war games with egypt and president obama had harsh words for the new government. >> the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. we deplore violence against civilians. while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets. and rights are being rolled back. >> the president then went to
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mink meadows golf course. come on. at least get a better name for a golf course. bring in right now nbc correspondent -- >> he can't control that. >> there are more than one -- there's more than one golf course on martha's vineyard. >> ayman mohyeldin from cairo. not only you in egypt, a lot of american policymakers, it seems a lot of leaders across the world, holding their breath that we don't have another day of violence, another week of violence. but looks like, amman, that may be where we're heading now? >> you know, i've covered a lot of days of violence in egypt. i've covered all kinds prove tests. this one definitely has the atmosphere and the tension that is probably going to be a very combustible situation leading to violence. i say that for a few reasons. one, the atmosphere is so charged among supporters of the muslim brotherhood, their followers, those that have lost relatives over the course of the last days. for the past several days, their media, their supporters have
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really been rallying their group to not let this pass without a fight. and i say the word fight more in the symbolic sense. they don't want this to be taken away from them. on one side you have that building up, that momentum growing. on the other side you have the government that is expressing its frustration, saying it is going to have a zero tolerance approach to demonstrations that are disrupting public life. even right behind us here in downtown cairo, central cairo, we've seen the military deploy in large numbers, troops on the streets checking vehicles. you can see why it's so ripe for the potential to be a very violent day. they've even authorized the military and police yesterday authorized security forces to use live ammunition to thwart any attacks on government buildings, court houses, police stations, churches. we've seen horrendous images from both sides over the course of the last 72 hours, joe. >> all right. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. let's, god, let's hope for the best. i'm sure we'll be talking to you on monday.
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coming up on "meet the press" -- coming up on "morning joe" moderator of "meet the press" david gregory. also david axelrod will be here and dr. brzezinski. also going to be talking about the crisis in egypt and later "the washington post's" eugene robinson joins the conversation and willie's conversation with cuba gooding jr. and lenny kravitz about their roles in the new civil rights drama "the butler." and coming up next -- that opens today, right? >> yeah. >> i've heard nothing but great things about it. coming up we've got the top stories in the politico playbook. here's bill karins. he has a check on the forecast. bill? >> hey, joe. you mentioned top of the show gorgeous stretch of weather that northern half of the country has been going through. it continues into the weekend. then it looks like the summer heat returns a little bit for next week. but look at this morning. just another gorgeous day from chicago all the way through the ohio valley. the northeast looks really nice toop. the only problem as we go throughout the weekend will be the southeast. watch this. new york city, gorgeous. beautiful conditions out there.
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>> what do you want? >> where do you want it? how do you want it? who's your daddy? >> that guy ever runs for president of sheep he will definitely win. >> all right. let's take a look at the morning papers. from "the chicago tribune" actress lisa robin kelly known for her role on "that 70s show" died on wednesday. in recent years kelly made headlines for a series of very public arrests. she also struggled with substance abuse and died in her sleep at a rehab facility in california. she was only 43 years old. >> that's really sad. >> yes. >> "the new york times" having this out there, dell's profits are down 72% from this time last year. the computer company had a net
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income of $204 million during the second quarter and was down 25 cents a share. the decline comes as dell struggles to adjust to industry changes toward smartphones and tablets. >> "l.a. times" story shows, and thank goodness mika is not here, we would be talking about it all morning, a new study says the amount of deaths in the u.s. as a result of obesity may be actually four times higher than experts initially thought. the research in the american journal of public health says between 1986 and 2006, more than 18% of premature deaths were a result of weight-related issues. that number is way up from what was widely regarded, thomas, as only being 5%. >> we're getting too comfortable with obesity in the country i think. >> "the washington post" the smoets sewn yan touting the discovery of a new mammal, why did i have to get this? >> i was glad you got this. >> olinguito. >> which in german means -- where was it found? >> down in the mountains. >> it's a sort of raccoon.
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>> i think it's a -- >> combination of a teddy bear and something else they said. >> well it's a -- this is the careny vor, the first mammal to be discovered in the western hemisphere. look at the baby face. >> let me tell you something, they taste great. >> okay. >> with ribs. >> like chicken. >> put a little butter on there. i -- >> rust colored olinguito only weighs two pounds and yet to be a golf course named olinguito golf. >> nor a sandwich. nor a sandwich. >> exactly. >> but they taste good. probably look better on your back. >> brown sugar. anyway, hey, peta, e-mail t.le j., he told me to say that. don't they look like they would taste great? "usa today" story, new study says that drinking -- oh. drinking too much coffee may lead to a higher risk of death for those under the age of 55. i'm -- i'm under the age of 55. >> cheers.
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>> see you on the other side. >> right. >> drink to my health. researchers say that the mayo clinic is saying that drinking more than 24 to 36 ounces of coffee a day may be has czar gus dust to your health. i drink that before like 6:30 in the morning. the reasons for the higher death risk aren't clear since coffee also has health benefits. with us now, the chief white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. he's here with the morning playbook. mike, let's just look ahead here. so you've written this story "eve of destruction" fascinating read talking about how republicans are concerned, they of course -- nobody will express this on the record because they're afraid they'll get killed by people on the far right. but republican leaders are very concerned that the party may be in a worse position now than it was even after mitt romney lost last fall. why? >> yeah. joe, you said earlier that you thought it was mellow dramatic but you have these conversations as well and you know that top
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republicans are worried as they go into the fall, that if there's not a real course correction by the party, that they're going to be digging themselves in even deeper hole. this conversation about shutting down the government, about not funding the debt, republican pollsters say that the only way that you can turn obama care from a negative for the president to a positive for the president is to link it to shutting down the government. on racial issues, trayvon martin, the party didn't have a positive message, they didn't express sympathy for his mother. on gay rights, there isn't a new message. talk to republicans, they say that eventually they're going to have to go to a message talking more about religious liberty and separating church and state. that hasn't been done yet. these groups that in the autopsy republicans know they need to reach, they're not doing anything to do it. and the biggest of all,
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immigration. >> i was going to say also immigration. what's fascinating is, and i guess chris christie is the exception of the rule s since 2006, i was reading your article, no republican speaking on the record, since 2006, when i started saying early in that year that george w. bush was destroying the republican party's chance to hold on to the house majority, i was getting absolutely killed. since 2006 republican leaders have said one thing in green rooms, another thing on tv and then another thing on talk radio. like nobody has the guts, chris christie is an exception, but no elected leader has the guts to stare down the crazies in their own party. i'm not talking to conservatives. i'm talking to crazies who make millions and millions of dollars every day trying to be as dev e divisive and as extreme as possible and i salute them for
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making money. god bless them for making money. i want everybody to make lots of money. i love capitalism but that ain't an electoral strategy and you read this article and i've heard it -- i hear it nonstop. i hear it from conservative house members. i said this earlier, 95, 96, 97% conservative index ratings with the acu who are saying behind the scenes some of these extremists are killing us and yet nobody will talk on the record and say this on the record and while they cower in the corner, we may be facing eight years of hillary clinton. 16 straight years of a democratic presidency. >> well, joe, this is the difference between the politics of 2014, a midterm when these republicans are concerned about defending their extremely red, extremely republican districts, and 2016 when all of a sudden you need a new national face for the party. now joe, what republicans say is, that what they need is a new
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candidate, that it's a person that will do it not the party. na in 1980, what caused blue collar, working-class voters to turn to republicans was not the republican party but ronald reagan. their hope is that there will be a candidate who will do this job, but we hear republicans say they hope during the fall, the party congressional leaders will do more to move the party in this direction, to set that candidate up for success. >> i was going to say, you make a great point when it comes to social conservative issues and party leaders. i'm going to use myself as an example. reince priebus when i got engaged congratulated me at the white house correspondents weekend. last year sean spicer congratulated me on getting married to my husband, yet they incorporated into the platform of the rnc their stance against marriage equality. so it's odd. because why congratulate me. i didn't bring it up. >> right. >> i didn't say give me a
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congratulations. but they offered it. it's odd. because then they'll go out and drum beat that they're against marriage equality. so it's weird. and that's the problem. >> it's also tone. it's how you do it. you know, i'm sure you and i would not agree on everything as it relates to also all social issues but we can sit down and talk. the problem is, everything is so confrontational and there's so many extremes. and for you, it may be an issue where you support me on marriage equality or i'm not voting republican. for other -- for other gay and lesbian voters, that's important, but just talk to me. have a dialog. don't disrespect me. for me economic issues are the most important. for somebody, you know, for somebody -- i mean, and it's the same thing with hispanics. the idea that hispanics all are going to move in one direction or another based on where you stand on immigration reform, it's overly simplistic. same thing for african-americans. you take and we brought up
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trayvon, you take trayvon martin, it would have cost republican leaders absolutely nothing, ed rendell, absolutely nothing, to just show a little respect. >> sure. >> and show a little bit of sympathy. >> and they didn't do it. >> and speak out against the most extreme elements. supporting george zimmerman before they even knew the facts of the case. >> right. >> now, again, you know, i got out early, said some things about george zimmerman myself. i shoouldn't have said, perhaps. i got overly emotional. i'm not in office. if i were in office i would have apologized. the thing is, there are so many of these issues, so many of these social issues, so many of these racial issues, it doesn't cost you anything to be compassionate. it doesn't cost you anything to not whip up your base into a fury. it doesn't cost you anything to stay off of talk radio or prime time cable news shows where you
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get in the middle of this divisive debate and send a message to african-americans and other minorities you don't care. not only did we get slaughtered among african-americans, we got slaughtered among hispanic-americans and most frightening for republicans, we even got beaten pretty badly among asian-americans. the republican party right now is sending out signals. >> and they're all -- >> if you're not white, you're really not welcome in this party. by the way, people are going to get mad at me for saying it, look at the numbers from 2012. we could do things that don't cost us a lot. we're not even doing it. >> the presidential debates when that gay soldier called in and the crowd booed him and not one of the candidates had the guts to stand up and say, hey, i don't care if you disagree with his lifestyle choices, he's out there protecting the united states of america, he deserves your respect. >> and you know what, guts. that's what this all boils down to. what we're all talking about. it's just speaking out.
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mike allen, mike, we started with you. i was just talking about since 2006, republicans have grimaced and hidden in the corners and they've -- oh, what are we going to do about -- these people on talk radio, these people on cable news that are saying these things that are driving off the very swing voters we need to get elected to the white house again. >> yeah. >> guts. they don't have guts to speak out against the treex emmists. mitt romney never had the guts to speak out against the most extreme elements in his party. and he lost in part because he followed extremists down a rabbit hole in iowa, in a caucus process, on immigration, and he got slaughtered among hispanic-americans because of it and he got beaten in other areas too because he never spoke out and had that famous bill clinton sister soldier moment that by the way conservatives cheered when it was a democrat doing it to extremists in his own base. >> right. and joe, if you don't have that
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moment, you don't need to worry about your debate format or your data gurus or turnout program because there's no way that in 2016, you have to fix the math problem if you're the republican party. >> mike allen, thank you so much. >> happy weekend. >> have a great weekend. coming up, major league baseball catches up on technology in the 21st century. instant replay is coming. we're going to break down the new rules in sports. ♪ [ villain ] well mr. baldwin... it appears our journey has come to a delightful end. then i better use the capital one purchase eraser to redeem my venture miles for this trip. purchase eraser? it's the easy way to erase any recent travel expense. i just pick a charge, like my flight with a few taps, it's taken care of.
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all right. so thomas, we were going to talk about rule changes. you and i are obsessed with rules changes in baseball. >> i love instant replay. so exciting. >> we've got actually cbs is breaking news and leigh gallagher, read what you got, because it's just -- we just -- this just came in literally ten seconds before we came on the air an this, ed rendell, you're a sports guy, this is going to be a bombshell. what do you got. >> "60 minutes" have learned that members of alex rodriguez's inner circle in february obtained leak documents that implicated ryan braun and his
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own teammate catcher francisco sir velly in the doping scandal that has enveloped major league baseball. it came days after a newspaper published documents detailing rodriguez's use of performance enhancing drugs. anthony bosch the key witness in the ped investigation revealed comprehensive doping regiments that bosch had engineered. his cooperation with mlb has resulted in the suspension of rodriguez and 13 other major league -- >> so a-rod's team, ed rendell, a-rod, people around a-rod, his team, leaked documents, this is "60 minutes," leaked documents that basically fingered ryan braun and his own teammate! >> most shockley his own teammates. >> stunning. so we can add the classification
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rat to the adjective describing rodriguez. >> a-rod's lawyer is saying that the allegations are untrue. obviously, though, "60 minutes" is -- >> they must have it. >> they've got it. they're on to it. >> and braun, those numbers were redacted in the miami new times documents but members of rodriguez's camp retained unredacted versions and leaked them. >> the purpose is to draw attention off of him. >> away from him or to say so many did it you have to modulate your response. stunning. >> that's a guy -- when this comes out, i mean it's -- >> his own teammates. >> his own teammates. they're not going to want him. >> oh. >> they're not going to want him in the dugout, on the field, at yankee stadium. this guy is something. all right. well, you know, this -- this story is developing and we'll continue to follow this story and so now let's talk -- >> peeling back an onion more and more. >> it continues. >> and on instant replay what's
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happening? >> this major rule change it could be in store for major league baseball. the commissioner bud selig plans to expand the video review process starting next season. here's the proposal it will give managers one challenge just one over the first six innings of a game and then two, from the seventh on. the league needs three quarters of owners to approve the plan as well. as the players association and the umpires union. what do you think? do you think they'll get the two-thirds they need, joe? >> i think so. ed, don't you think so? >> i think so. start off saying bud selig gets a lot of grief. i think he's been a terrific commissioner and a good move. the only thing i would have done differently i would have left it up to the umpires in the last three innings. the problem is, six challenges during a game will add a half hour to a game. >> and the game is already too long. >> too long. >> thank you so much. coming up next, again, we're going to continue the -- checking in on this a-rod breaking story. but also, coming up next,
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>> it's hard to believe that almost exactly one year ago he launched a nationwide campaign called let's move to help solve the problem of childhood obesity in this country. back when we first decided to -- >> that is, of course, first lady michele obama starring in a new music video to promote healthy eating and exercise. with us now editor and chief of "parade" maggie murphy. she features an interview with
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the first lady. it's great. michele on the move. what have you learned? >> i think we learned this michele is having a fabulous second term. >> is she? >> we're really seeing her efforts in terms of childhood obesity move the needle. there have been reports lately. i think she comes across as from our cover shot on down as someone who really understands what she wants to do during her second term. and, you know, she's confident. she's, you know, just really having a great success, a great run. maybe more so than her husband, perhapsp. but i think that she's really proud of what she's accomplished. we're seeing the results in the stats. >> so you asked her about her comment on being a single mother and what that revealed about the loneliness of the position. what did she say? >> what she really said was interesting she was getting at the fact that at the end of the day moms are the ones doing the scheduling, planning and her husband, she gives credit for knowing the girls' friends and schedules but she's the one
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that's worrying about logistics of their lives and, you know, we also said to her, you seem very relaxed and she said, i am really relieved i don't have election in front of me. i know where i am going to be. >> she never seemed to be a big fan of the campaign. >> i think as we all know, she wasn't. she was great at it and i think she was critical at the democratic convention, but i think you see somebody who is like, oh. >> light at the end of the tunnel. >> i love what she said about why she doesn't wear the bangs anymore. >> i thought that was so great. >> it's hard to give speeches with hair in your face. >> they were right down here and she said, i just wanted to brush them aside and i think that's -- >> blowing them up. >> that's the thing about her. we sit down with her and she just comes across to be as comfortable at this table as she would at a state dinner. we were at the kid's state dinner the day before. room of 50 kids. this women knew how to run that room. i think somebody we should all
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admire across platforms. >> the other thing she talks about is education and it's really interesting, she says it's why barack obama is president of the united states. it's not fate, it's not luck. it's not pedigree. it's hard work. speaking about you can achieve anything, just stay on track, get your education, and the world can be your oyster, basically. >> i think so. i think her other point, she started with nutrition because you cannot learn if you're hungry. i think she's moved, you cannot learn if you don't know how to process and move. now as we're seeing this is going to be her next goal, her ongoing goal. really motivating america's kids in that regard. and i think we're going to be the better for it. >> the picture inside of the casual elegance in the green room is great. >> she looks great. >> she looks awesome. she will be 50 in january. >> the new 30. >> we were just saying, 50 is the new 30, baby. 50 is the new 30. >> looks awesome. >> i'm in that club, you're in that club. >> hey, hey!
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>> sorry. >> and you guys look great. >> just because mika is revealing her weight on television -- does not mean i'm going to reveal my age. by the way, you see that clip of al and natalie and willie talking about weight and revealing weight. so al and willie asked natalie on the "today" show to reveal her weight. really? >> no, no, no. >> we'll show you what happened. that didn't work out well. that didn't work out well at all. >> end the segment before we go any further. >> the new issue of "parade," you started talking about age, maggie murphy, thank you so much. it looks great. >> thanks. >> coming up, we've got former white house adviser david axelrod, he's going to join the discussion. dr. brzezinski is going to be here talking about egypt and show you that clip about mika and her weight and natalie and al. it's just -- it's ugly! i had my reality check when i'd be sitting there with my friends
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upside down basically. >> wow. >> okay, coming up next new revelations about alex rodriguez's breaking news fingering his own teammates and leigh gallagher has details of the picture over his bed where he's half man and half horse! how do you know that? >> i -- well i can't compare to thomas when it comes to pop culture but i remember this. >> you remember it from what? >> i'm not a sports fan. i have to remember the other thing. >> referenced in a couple stories. he never really talked about it. >> she only read it. >> that's not visual. >> i only read it. >> also, we're going to be asking leigh what her weight and age is coming up next on "morning joe." >> ed rendell is good at guessing weights too. >> we shall return. ♪ [ male announcer ] clearly this isn't one of those speed-eating contests.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." there's a beautiful shot, you wonder how t.j. does all of this at the same time, gets these beautiful shots, he cycles in, he gets -- no, he doesn't get the lighting right. you know why? b because he's always on youtube. in the middle of our show. the worst director in the business. >> thanks. >> we'll talk about that more. >> come on. don't be angry. you sent me that youtube video of natalie and everybody. we'll get to that in a second
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into we'll get to that. >> in one second. go back to your youtube -- your youtube category. >> no, he doesn't. he doesn't do anything. >> the music is awesome. >> that's cue and myself. t.j. has nothing to do with anything good. he goes to disney land all the time. >> what? >> i'm just saying. >> ed rendell with us, thomas roberts, leigh gallagher with us. she didn't brush off that picture of a-rod as artfully over a-rod's bed as artfully as i would have. half man half horse. robert gibbs in washington, all bull. and with us in washington pulitzer-prize winning columnist associate editor of "the washington post" and political analyst eugene robinson. did you hear about this a-rod stuff, man? it's unbelievable. >> whoa. yeah. so the report is that he is actually a rat in addition to doping and that he has ratted out a teammate, is that right?
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>> he's a doper, he's a cheater, and he's in big trouble because he's going to fenway tonight and it is going to be ugly. we're going to get to this breaking news in a minute. cbs breaking the news on a-rod. before we get to that. we've got to sort of tie the bow on the story. we can't just leave -- >> the boston snitches don't do well in boston. whitey bulger taught us that. >> don't do well. >> rats don't do well. >> yeah. so rats don't do well. anyway, so leigh, we were -- before joking about asking you your weight, so mika, a couple days ago, is talking about ambi ambien, right, and everybody, oeshg no, we've never taken ambien. everybody on the show, come on, popping ambien. i think she was taking ambien when somebody was tweeting her the other night. my guess. they asked how much you weigh. so this is what mika did. show the picture.
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she tweeted my weight, one year ago today i was 116 and felt fat. she's 135.the. >> that's so brave of mika. she writes about this in her book, all about her coming clean. >> it's not quite as brave if she's on ambien when doing it. we're just wondering. so anyway, so this is what we said. we've been playing this for an hour. this is what happened yesterday on the "today" show. i'll admit, t.j. called me and said look, i just -- i was checking this out on youtube while i was supposed to be working and take a look at it. made me up comfortable. watch. >> for women it's one of these things -- >> of course. >> it's a carefully guarded secret. >> which is worse admitting weight or your age. >> i think weight. >> that would be a hard thing for you to do, right? to talk about your weight on television. >> for a lot of people it is. i think -- you're not going to get it out of me if that's where you're going to go. >> only if you volunteer. >> why wouldn't you in. >> because i -- i don't think that's, you know, i -- >> that's a good answer.
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>> yeah, yes. exactly. >> turn this into a state fair and guess the weight. >> no. let's not. i mean look, some people are very happy to say what they weigh and i thinks others just -- i also don't want young girls to be -- >> i have never seen you like this. >> i don't want young girls to be obsessed with their weight. >> that's why you don't obsess about it. you reveal it. >> you say what it is and it's done. >> yeah. >> there's no obsession. >> okay. >> they're going for something here. >> she's not going to break. we tried to break her. mika did it. i don't want to. mika did it. >> you're not copying mika. >> good for her. anyway it's mika's thing. but would you publicly reveal your weight? we asked our viewers on our web poll. i think a lot of women -- we're asking our viewers. weigh in on our poll. do you really want to know? i mean -- >> no. >> if you toll us, fine. if you don't, it's okay. >> i don't care. i really don't care. as long as you're strong. >> you do care but don't worry
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about it. >> strong is the new skinny according to the "new york post." a new article, women who are -- it's true. i think that's the message we should be sending girls. not weight. >> always turn corners on two wheels. >> strong and healthy. >> and taking on the world, girls. go. >> if you lift, you know -- >> weight means nothing. >> lift a 50 pound weight how much would you weigh? >> to me, weight, the number on a scale means nothing. it's as long as you're healthy and strong. >> that's the case why don't you say it? >> that's what i'm saying. >> like -- >> al wouldn't stop. he just wouldn't stop. >> two trains are going north and two trains are going south how much do you weigh? keanu reeves in "the matrix" going -- >> dodging the bullet every way she could. like pit bulls. >> what's that? >> i'm opposite. you will never get my age out of me but i don't mind telling you what i weigh. you know -- everybody is different i guess. >> so our question is, how old are you? >> no.
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>> okay. >> not going there. >> my mother raised me well. a woman never -- >> t.j., thank you so much for watching youtube while you're supposed to be working. i thought ed rendell, i mean, ed, you look, and they would not -- al wouldn't let him go. >> al must have been a prosecutor in another life. >> seriously. what a prosecutor. boom. 50 pound -- >> what a witness though. >> get to breaking news here. a new report says alex rodriguez's inner circle leaked documents implicating other baseball players like mvp ryan braun and gene robinson, like you were saying, his own -- francisco cervelli, his own teammate, for doping. that's according to "60 minutes." according to the report members of rodriguez's camp leaked unredacted notes belonging to anthony bosch that showed the ped regiment developed for pro athletes. bosch is now the key witness in baseball's performance enhancing drug investigation.
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and rodriguez's lawyers, of course, denied all of these charges. so yeah, gene, this is absolutely horrible. who is going to want to sit on the bench with this guy when he had his own people -- >> yeah. >> basically finger and rat out a member of his own team? >> well, yeah. the question is, why is he going to want to go into a locker room with a bunch of guys with bats, with baseball bats. >> exactly. >> that's -- no. i mean that's just something you don't do on a team in a team sport and one imagines he's going to be shunned and however else you want to say it. >> yeah. >> i can't imagine how he can be an integral member of the team if this is true. >> no. >> it seems to be credible. >> and unbelievable. had he's going to fenway tonight. >> brutal. >> explosive. i don't -- you know, ed, i don't know how -- i mean he's a cheat, but you know what, the other players, they've played with
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other people who cheated. they're cheaters in baseball. all over baseball right now. but to rat out a member of your own team as a p.r. stunt, i just -- i can't believe the guy survives as a yankee. >> i mean, to even rat out players from other teams is bad, but on his own team and cervelli's 50-game suspension for him that's probably a huge hit in his pocketbook. huge hit in his pocketbook. >> has an impact. david gregory, "meet the press," with us, this is a huge story. >> yeah. >> developing. sports story. i can't believe that a-rod is going to survive as a yankee. they hated him before. they're just going to have absolutely -- and by the way, a-rod's lawyer can deny it all it wants. "60 minutes" has him dead to center. i talked to an insider, the documents they have on this guy, explosive. he -- they have nailed him. >> you know, this biogenesis story is so ugly. and i think the only thing that's good that comes out of this is frankly other players are really sick and tired of it and whether it's ryan braun who lied to friends inside baseball,
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outside of baseball, or whether it's a-rod who already hadn't endeared himself to his teammates going back years after he would stay at separate hotels rooms and separate entourage he had reached this diva status and as he's on his way down, you know, apparently lying to major league baseball, like leeking documents to get others on his way down. it's such a sort dids affair, it only validates the tough stand that baseball is taking and my hope is as a fan and dad of fans, is that there's just this incredible stain associated with steroids and peds that becomes sort of final. you know, i had hoped it would be final in the 'the 90s but it wasn't. whats they guys did is got a little more sophisticated about how to avoid and use it. i hope this will sort of break it. >> let's hope so. speaking of sordid affairs, filner.
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bob filner. >> oh, god. >> actually now accused of sexually harassing a great grandmother. a great grandmother. this is peggy shannon. take a look. you may want to cover your ears. it's ugly. >> on the day that mayor filner grabbed me and kissed me, i was so surprised. i went home and cried. i just felt so sad. on the day that mayor filner came by my desk and asked me if i thought he could go eight hours in one night, i was shocked that he would say that to me. >> unbelievable. unbelievable. come on. this guy -- gene, this guy's got to go. >> yeah. yeah. and, you know, this is certainly not a partisan issue at this point. you know, leading democrats are calling for him to go. everybody else is calling for him to go. i mean, he's -- he's clearly got a problem that about going to be
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cured by you know two weeks or three days or whatever of rehab that he's had and some of these actually cross the line into what i would describe as assault or alleged assault. i mean this isn't just, you know, saying nasty things to people. in some cases he was physical. this is not tolerable. >> i sense a prosecution coming up here. all i can say is thank god he's not a republican. okay. let's turn to a little heavier news here. and boy, it's bad. after two days of deadly crackdowns in egypt, the muslim brotherhood is now calling for a day of anger with anti-coup rallieses to be held across the country. more than 600 people are reported dead. 3500 wounded by this government crackdown. and as images of blood soaked streets pour in, so too does the international backlash against egypt's military. the u.s. has canceled planned war games with egypt and
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president obama had harsh words for the new government. >> the united states strongly condemns the steps that have been taken by egypt's interim government and security forces. we deplore violence against civilians. while we want to sustain our relationship with egypt, our traditional cooperation cannot continue as usual when civilians are being killed in the streets and rights are being rolled back. >> eugene, you write in "the washington post" this, quote, a lack of spine on egypt, there may be little the united states can do to end the savage bloodletting in egypt, but at least our nation can be a loyal to its ideals by bearing witness and telling the truth. in this, president obama has failed. a day after egypt's military backed interim government slaughtered hundreds of protesters and assumed sweeping emergency powers, obama still could not bring himself to call what is happening a coup de ta.
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speaking from martha's vineyard he described it as, quote, an intervention in cairo. meanwhile, authorities were still counting the bodies. america cannot determine the future of egypt, the president said, which means the least we can do is stand for what we believe. gene, talk about it. >> well, you know, one thing the united states has not done and the president was certainly critical of the new military-backed government, but we're still giving $1.3 billion in annual military aid to egypt, the second largest recipient of u.s. military aid after israel. he is not cut off that aid which he would be required to do if he called it a coup. i think it's pretty obvious at this point that this was, in fact, a coup. it was backed by a large portion of the civilian population, but it was a military coup. and people are being cut down in the streets. this is we're supposedly not
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cutting off the aid because we retain leverage over the egyptian military but this leverage isn't doing us good and isn't doing the people of the muslim brotherhood very much good. we told them not to do the coup and they did it any how. we told them not to clear the protest camps by force and they did that anyhow. i don't think we have leverage at this point. >> and it certainly seems like both sides now look at the united states with disdain. a recent pew poll shows america's standing in egypt continues to drop. let's bring in right now on the phone, former national security adviser for president carter, dr. brzezinski. dr. brzezinski, how did we get to the point where the united states is now either feared or disdained by both fighting factions in egypt? >> if we want to understand what is happening, we can't just look at the headlines of the last few days. we have to look at what has been
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happening over the last ten years. ten years ago, exactly in 2003, we invaded iraq, which was ruled by an odious dictator who, however, was impotent because we defeated him back in 1991. he didn't have any serious weapons. we claimed he did. we overthrew him and we, therefore, opened the doors to extremism, including al qaeda in iraq. and then we are to draw lessons from that. earlier on, the same thing more or less happened in iran. today, in egypt, we have a confrontation between two very violent and extremist groups and we ought to make a reasoned judgment, which of these is worse for us, in the longer run? is religious extremism, fanaticism, militantsy worse for
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us, or is military brutality worse for us? and which way are the winds blowing in egypt itself. i think it's quite clear there's a large part of the egyptian society who doesn't favor religious extremism and which given little choice, initially at least, is backing a brutal military regime. which of these two regimes, these two alternatives, is likely to evolve over time into something more acceptable? it's a hard, hard judgment to make, but all i would say at this stage is, we better not act in a way which predetermines the victory of the more extremist forces. and i fear that this populist radical extremism, religious fanaticism in the longer run will create the aversion of iran in egypt.
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the military are not very attractive, far from it, but neither is the possibility they could evolve into something that begins to look like turkey. >> well, let's bring in right now david gregory from "meet the press." he has a question. david? >> dr. brzezinski, i'm very interested in your analysis and i want to pick up by adding some of my reporting out of the white house yesterday. as you know, in the administration, they had a great deal of confidence and probably still do, although that's declining, in the egyptian military and that faith was based on the idea that they would get back on a democratic path, that we have the leverage there, and that they can be trusted. if you were inside the white house right now, what would you do to replace what is clearly a certain level of caution and deliberation about what this relationship is about to try to get things back on course because, as you know, the only sense that they've got is that they've got some leverage with the military and the they can
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pull them back from the brink at this point and calm some of this down, maybe get to a place where some muslim brotherhood members are released from prison. maybe you get another referendum and get this back on track. >> well, first of all, we have to recognize that we have relatively little positive leverage. we, however, have a lot of negative leverage. that is to say, if we cut off relationships with this military junta, it was between you and me a coup, we don't have to say it publicly necessary, if we cut off any relationship with them, we will make it more likely they will collapse and then what follows? we have to ask ourselves the negative consequences that our words and limited influence can provoke. so i would say, be critical of the [ inaudible ]. urge national unity. don't undermine the military
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because at least there are no -- they are a known category. we know what they potentially stand for. but the longer this lasts, in this kind of vague messy fashion in which we are for and against, the more likely is that extremism will prevail. >> all right. dr. brzezinski, we thank you so much for calling in. an extraordinarily important time. we' appreciate it. ed rendell, something dr. brzezinski said at the end that you agreed with. we're sending so many conflicting signals. gene wrote about it in his column, not having a spot. you know, we saw mubarak must go and then a lot of people think we don't speak out strongly enough about the abuses of morsi and then the president is not speaking out strongly enough against just the horrific abuses of the egyptian military. >> it's too hard to -- joe -- >> we're sort of waffling around here. >> i think it's too hard to figure out and predict the players. i think we should adopt a consistent message that we're against anything that's
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anti-democratic. we should have called it a coup. we should have said, look, you're going to have a few days to put together some form of coalition or else we're going to spend military aid. dr. brzezinski is right, our $1.3 billion is a drop in the bucket. substantively it doesn't mean a lot. it sends a message and the united states ought to stand for something across that region and it's hard to figure out what we stand for. >> and david gregory, or if you -- dr. brzezinski gave a very, i thought, a very reasoned but very calculating realist view of the situation. and you sit there and look at the mess we're in right now, heck, we would have been better off, you know, putting pressure on mubarak to reform than to go through all the iterations we've gone through now and now it is on the verge of absolute collapse. >> unlike afghanistan, unlike iraq, the military in egypt is an incredibly strong institution that can ensure stability. that's the card that u.s. has
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been playing since the arab spring started in 2011. and after afghanistan and iraq, you have a president who is saying i'm not going to be so fast to try to engineer a political result because the united states tried that in iraq and it hasn't worked out so well. but here's the difficulty. after the arab spring as one republican said to me yesterday, you cannot be seen as aiding a strong man. and mubarak has in effect been now replaced by the egyptian military. they are the ones who are cracking skulls in the streets. i mean, these pictures are ghastly of killing protesters. so people across the world, they may not agree with the muslim brotherhood, but this is not, to gene's point, what standing up for democracy looks like. inside the white house, they are, however, saying self-ri includesness is not a strategy here. we do have limited clout and we don't want to play all of our cards, meaning the aid and the prestige that the u.s. has, we don't want to play it right now. >> but robert gibbs, as these
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video clips come out of protesters being shot down in the street, more pressure, obviously, going to increase on the white house to do something definitive. >> absolutely. but let's be clear and if you read gene's column it's a great column but our relationship with egypt, we have had a tension between our values and interests for more than 40 years. we had that with mubarak and mubarak got to the point where he lost a majority of the country. morsi also lost a majority of the country by not giving others a voice. and i think what we have to figure out is, how do we put this country back on a process for some amount of political c reconciliation because if we had an election today, but didn't include the muslim brotherhood in that election, it also wouldn't be a democratic election. so i think there is a lot that has to get put back here. i was struck by dr. brzezinski's
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real world take on this which is, we should be putting our interests ahead of anything else and looking at what is going to most stabilize that region because the stability partner in that region for the united states has always been egypt. >> yeah. >> on the arab side of that equation. >> no doubt about it. right now, obviously that's in grave danger. robert, thank you so much for being with us. we appreciate it. >> thank you. >> david, we'll be watching you on "meet the press" with commissioner ray kelly, that's going to be fascinating. gene, thank you so much. your column great today. we really appreciate it. >> thank you so much. >> all right. still ahead, can money buy happiness? i don't know. but i hope so. a new book says it can. as long as you spend it wisely. the authors join us next. and coming up next, former white house senior adviser david axelrod. do you think david is making as much money as say glen beck? you know, he's out of the white
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house. you think he makes 90 come a year? he doesn't have a mustache so he can't afford that. >> he's saying no. we shall see. >> maybe they pay well out in chicago. >> the cost of living is lower? much lower. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. alert.
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from chicago former senior adviser to president obama, director of the university of chicago's insy stuts of politics and msnbc contributor david axelrod. are they paying you really well out there, now that you're out of government, cashing in? >> what i'm proud of is -- i get paid okay but what i'm proud of, i did it without performance enhancing drugs. >> boy. >> that's the important thing. >> tell you what, what about a-rod? huh? >> this guy, what a narcissist. >> now we know what the "a" in a-rod stands for, i think.
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>> wait. does rat start with an "a"? what a total jerk. go ahead. >> yeah. well, i mean look at the yankee dugout and look down the row and you see a guy like derek jeter who really exemplifies what baseball is all about, did it the right way, showed loyalty to his team, loyalty to his teammates. this other guy is all about himself and i really hope that he goes away, that they throw the book at him, he never comes back. because he's a blythe on the game. >> he is a blight on the game, blight on the yankee organization. blight on baseball. let's turn to politics. charles krauthammer has tough words for the president this morning. love to get your reaction. he -- it's entitled "can obama write his own laws." this week charles writes, it was revealed the administration had unilaterally waived obama care's cap on patient's annual out of pocket expenses. a one-year exemption for
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selected health insurers that is nowhere permitted in the law. which follows a presidential directed 70 plus percent subsidy for insurance premiums paid by congressmen and their personal staff which came a month after the administration's equally lawless suspension of one of the cornerstones of obama care, the employer mandate which followed hundreds of obama care waivers granted to selected businesses, unions and well lobbied very special interest groups. such gross exsive usurptation disdains a contusion, mocks the separation of powers and most consequently introduces a fatal instability into the law itself. if the law is not what is plainly written but whatever the president and his agents decide, what is left of the law? david, i'll have you respond. not only did charles' column but also all the waivers having to be granted this year. >> well, first of all, it isn't news that charles krauthammer had harsh words for the president. that's a multiweek occurrence.
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but on the point itself, there is -- there's no doubt that this law is going to have to be perfected along the way. they're going to have to make adjustments along the way. it doesn't -- they're not violating the spirit of the law. all those provisions are going to move forward. but, you know, my question is for all those people who say what he's doing is lawless, we hear this from members of congress, it's illegal, he's violating the constitution and so on, why don't they go down to the courthouse and test that proposition if they're so confident about that? >> yeah. what about -- what about the rough starts? you said that -- i mean every law obviously has to be amended and changed along the way. but certainly nobody at the white house expected this many exemptions and certainly didn't expect the very democrats that voted for it to be crowing that they needed an extension or else they would lose their best employees. >> joe, you know, i think that from the very beginning, when
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the president contemplated this -- and there was a lot of discussion in the white house about this and i was involved in those discussions -- it was very clear it was going to be tough, it was going to be complex, that there was going to be a period when the law was being implemented where there would be a lot of consternation about elements of it and that it was going to have to be adjusted along the way. because any program like this involves adjustments along the way. he made the determination that he for the long term, it was the right thing for the country and consumers and the right thing for the health care system which was imploding and i'm sure he still believes that today and, you know, there are benefits that are accruing to people. he did a great job of making that case in his press conference last week all over this country now, and there will be more benefits as time goes on. but the worst mistake that he could make would be to come up short on the thing. i believe that the upside is going to be greater than people believe even as they implement
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these exchanges and the -- you know, all the disaster and doomsaying is going to be pale in retrospect. >> david, leigh gallagher here. do you think the iterating and tweaking will continue after 1/1/14, after we put it into place, a lot of this is getting it ready, the real test will be when the rubber hits the road. do you think there will be more tweaking for the following year or more than that? >> i have to believe that's going to be the case. any time you implement something like this, it's new and there's no doubt that it's complicated, there will be changes along the way. there should be changes along the way. if you look at the polling, you know, everybody focuses on people's opposition to the program. but a majority of people say let's move forward and fix it along the way and that's exactly what the president -- what the president will do. you know, i think that they just have to press forward on this. i think, leigh, the most difficult thing is going to be in states where governors and
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legislatures are opposed to the program and are doing everything they can to disrupt it and there are going to be more problems there in states like california, new york, washington, colorado, i believe it's going to move much more smoothly. >> all right. david axelrod, thank you so much. thank you for telling us what the "a" stood for in a-rod. i always wondered what that was. >> i didn't tell you. i just hinted. >> very good. thanks. >> ed, it has been a rougher rollout than anybody would have anticipated a year ago, right? >> david's right. it was complicated. everyone knew there would be problems. and the fact is, joe, we knew that there were flaws in the act when it passed. but the benefits -- and i still believe this -- far outweigh the flaws. what i would like to see happen is the president get some of the republicans who really have insights into this together and say let's try to fix this baby. let's do it together. it's the law of the land, but let's do it together. >> that sounds sort of above
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it's been three months since the tornado of epic proportions swept through moore, oklahoma. thomas, can you believe it? we were there. unbelievable. >> hard to believe three months has gone by. >> of course that means, of course, that three months the kids are going back to school. of course, after the tornado, class was canceled for the rest of the year. certainly tragedy there. we heard that firsthand from nbc news's kate snow regarding the impact on some of the schools and kate joins us live from moore where the kids are finally going back to school. kate, what -- >> they are going back. >> what is the atmosphere there? >> well, you know, it's sadness over what they've lost but it's a lot of hope over what this school year will bring. we're standing where plaza towers elementary used to be. there's seven crosses for the seven that died here. i don't know if you can see the
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slab behind me. they're pulling it up. going to put in a brand new school but not until next year. for now three quarters of the kids who used to go to school here who live in the area, they're going to go to a new building, a different building. it's going to be a tough day not just for the kids, but for the grownups. >> if we have to hide our fears and our yap prehennion for starting that's what we're going to do. >> reporter: at a staff meeting thursday principal amy simpson struggled with emotions. >> it's okay to cry and okay to be owe frads and it's okay to be angry. >> reporter: they are the teachers that saved lives back in may when a tornado ripped their school apart. all summer long, the district collected donated school supplies from books to wall decorations. there are reminders of the old school. >> you know, when we walked around the old school in may, remember we were looking at the mural and you were saying -- >> the whole wall with the panther still there. >> sort of says something. >> it does. >> you wanted to have reminders of the old place too.
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>> yes. it was important to show the kids that this is plaza towers. they needed to come in here and know there's going to be books to read, carpets to sit on, nice chairs. their own desks. all of those things were important. >> reporter: simpson's biggest worry is the children won't feel as safe as they did before. >> i'm afraid that they've lost the trust and they've lost the security that we had before may 20th. >> reporter: she's particularly concerned about the fourth graders, like xavier who was pulled out of the rubble after being crushed under a wall with his classmates. >> i just heard banging on the building and rocks falling on me. >> reporter: his teacher miss doan did all she could, but six of the seven lost were her students. >> i really wanted to come back this year. >> reporter: she's not healthy enough to return to teach yet but she will. >> i mean, this is what i want to do and this is where i want to be. >> reporter: for so many here, coming back is part of the healing. >> seeing my kids' faces, seeing their smiling faces, i mean
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that's -- that heals me right there because just knowing they're okay. >> the kids find normalcy here and schedule and routine and they thrive on that. >> that's comforting. >> that's going to be what's our goal for the year. [ no audio ] >> all right. kate, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. we had a transmitter problem there. but keep our fingers crossed for the new school year. >> it with you a great effect there, showing kate in that interview, what the plaza towers looked like and how far they've come. we saw what that damage looked like firsthand. it would be interesting to see how far they've come around in three months all around, the streets and neighborhoods that have been devastated. >> they're tough and resilient there. we saw that firsthand. our thoughts and prayers are with them as they go back to school. coming up next, with $86 million
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you talk about -- and, of course mc hammer, that didn't work out well either. you guys talk about happy money, spending smart, and the first thing you talk about is, don't buy things. buy experiences. talk about that. >> the idea here is that people consistently get more happiness from buying experiences, everything from the dream trip to africa to that special meal out with your spouse. >> right. >> than from buying material things from couches to houses. >> yeah. and great trips, concerts, things like that. as you guys talk about. houses, expensive pens, they always disappoint. material things. but experiences stay withes you. >> one of the reasons is because when you buy something and it's a thing, over time it gets worse and worse because it gets old. new tv is great and then it gets older and older. experiences are funny because you go on them and when they're done, it's over, so you don't have it anymore but our brains
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make us remember them as being better and better and better. >> they get better and better. >> so we get happier later from having experiences. >> number two, make it a treat. what do you mean by that? >> this is a hard one where you're supposed to basically su basically give things up. so whatever you love the best in the world, it could be coffee, it could be movies. you've got to let it get for a little while. because just like a tv, we get used to things and they get a little worse and a little worse. if you take a break from it, even just a little while, research shows when you come back to it, you'll crave it, you'll really anticipate it. >> so you're saying i should not have, like, 12 iced mochas a day. if i have 6 for a few days, i'll appreciate 8, 9, 10, 11 more? >> exactly. >> i won't give up the b ben & jerry's, i won't do it. >> this is interesting. i love this. buy time. talk about buying time. >> we argue that before you
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reach for your wallet, you should stop and ask yourself, how will this purchase affect the way i use my time. so many things we buy from a great new pair of shoes to a great dress, they're not going to have any impact on the way we spend our time. >> right. >> and so what really matters for happiness is what we're actually doing with the minutes and hours of our day it the best thing we can do with the money in our opinion is change the way we use our time for the better. >> investing wisely, not, you know, financially, but sort of, you know, spiritually, psychologically, right? >> if you buy a house, it's great, but you actually are buying a commute. why don't you not buy the house and use the money for something that does give you meaning or happiness. >> what's a happiness cap? >> how high can it go? >> alex, you told me to ask him about the happiness cap. this is why i never listen to you.
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>> the hat that comes with the book. >> alex, you talk about it. you obviously read the book. >> happiness does not increase after the $70,000 threshold, according to their book. >> you guys decided i would use a term and you would leave me out here to hang? >> i think what you're -- >> i'm not happy right now. >> i think what you're referring to -- >> what am i referring to? >> the figure that's come out that once people in the united states make about $75,000 a year, additional income ceases to have any impact whatsoever on how much they laugh or smile on a given day. >> yeah. isn't it amazing? my son went down with ameri cares and -- to el salvador. and he came back, i said, what was it? he said, destitute, awful conditions, mudslides. he goes, the thing i can't get past is just how happy everybody
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was there. i take it that's part of what we're talking about here. you just really can't buy happiness. that, in fact, sometimes the more you buy, the more problems you buy. >> that's exactly right. if you think about when you had less money versus more money, you still have the same family, the same friends, the same siblings. most of the things in your life don't change no matter how much money you have. really, it's about focusing on the things that really do make you happy. focusing on money and money and money doesn't really do much for your happiness. >> we showed that great group, the oceans 16. there's been so many, so much research about retiring right away and going down the wrong path. most people that stay in their job, that keeps them on track, keeps them occupied. they feel probably a lot safer about when they pull the trigger to retire. when you wrote this book, who you were aiming for? millennials? gen-xers? it seems a lot of kids grow up these days very aware of cash
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sexually harassing a great-grandmother. >> no. >> i swear. i'm going to show you the clip. before we get to that, we did an intervention here. i have a feeling robert can call the white house and help them still with press. >> absolutely. >> pr, right, because that's what he does? >> absolutely. >> here's the deal. i don't expect my president after he handles a world crisis to go sharpen his hatchet blades in pennsylvania. even though that's a very manly thing to do. no. but this president gives a press conference, robert, and then, right after that, he goes golfing at mink meadows club in martha's vineyard. come on, man. >> is there such a place? >> there is such a place. >> mink meadows, m-i-n-k? the little guys in coats?
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>> yes. i don't think morris polled that one for you guys. >> is your quibble with the name of the golf club? >> yeah, it is. i'm being really shallow right now. >> it doesn't sound like one of the, you know, one of the long golf courses, sounds more like a putt putt. >> sounds pretty simple. did you hear the grandma story? >> i did. i saw her too. gave a press conference. gloria allred reping her. >> it's not even a grandmother, it's a great-grandmother. in san diego, the number of women accusing mayor bob filner -- i decided to go with this one first. advances. peggy shannon, a great-grandmother, who works part time for the senior citizens service desk at city hall. she spoke publicly for the first time last night. >> on the day that mayor filner grabbed me and kissed me, i was so surprised. i went home and cried.
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i just felt so sad. on the day that mayor filner came by my desk and asked me if i thought he could go eight hours in one night, i was shocked that he would say that to me. >> what are we going to do? what are we going to do with this filner thing? come on, ed, you're a democrat. >> this defies explanation. >> thank god he's a democrat. we've suffered through a lot, we republicans. thank god bob filner's a democrat. >> it's balanced out. in my book, i wrote there are now 17 people who voted for bill clinton's impeachment who got involved in their own sex scandal. 17. >> democrats. with weiner, spitzer and thank god you've got filner. >> we're on a roll. >> what is not balanced out, is this clearly shows that we just
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need more women in government. we need more women everywhere. it is about balance. you know, it's just -- >> more women have to step up and run. >> true. and they are. and they will. >> we have a problem in pennsylvania getting qualified women to step up and run. >> wow. >> all right. well, despite widespread calls to resign and a petition, mayor filner's staying put. even saying as your mayor i am committed to moving san diego forward. >> stay classy, san diego. >> stay classy, san diego. >> coming up next -- what san diego means in german. now anthony weiner. you see this new poll? nbc 4. thanks, chopper 4. news poll, how many organizations can you get together in one poll? show his support continues to crater. now bill de blasio. this guy's star's rising. he's tied with christine quinn. bill thompson at 18%. weiner at 11%.
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de blasio, man. he's caught fire. >> the interesting thing about new york, if no one gets 50%, it's a runoff. no one's going to get 50%. the question is, can thompson sneak into second place? if he does, he has an excellent chance in a runoff. >> robert gibbs, look at this ad. it's a deblauso ad. >> i want to tell you a little bit about bill de blasio. he's the only democrat with the guts to break from the bloomberg ye years. he's got the bold est plan to build affordable housing. he's the only one that will stop a stop and frisk era that targets people of color. i'd say that even if he weren't my dad. >> that's a great ad. robert gibbs. great ad. it looks like this guy's catching fire just at the right time. >> well, you see in that ad the sort of underlying message
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against christine queinn. that is can you break from the mike bloomberg era. i think she's had a hard time kind of breaking from that era. i think bill de blasio has filled the hole that has been left in this race. because quite frankly, nobody's really captured it. we've had probably now -- i think we've seen a poll where each of these four candidates wasn't one point on top. >> yeah. bounces all around. including of course anthony weiner. that ain't happening anymore though. you're actually going to have quinn on today. >> we have christine quinn on at 11:00 a.m. talking about how these polls answered up. you had her on yesterday. >> she wouldn't answer my question. >> about the animal stuff? >> the first thing i asked was -- i figured she didn't want to talk about anthony weiner so what are we going to do. i started off by asking her if anthony weiner were a tree, what kind of tree would he be. got some great responses on twitter which i can't repeat. >> we'll check out your twitter
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feed. so we can look at them. we have her at 11:00. as the governor points out, bill de blasio is, you know, right now a very interesting guy. kind of catching fire at the right time because of stop and frisk has taken a lot the oxygen out of the room and brought that up to be a very pivotal part of the campaign for christine quinn. she stands in the shadows of bloomberg. but bill de blasio is getting credit for how he talks about the stop and frirvsk. then his son daunte appears in this ad. his kids would be primary targets for something like this. for looking suspicious or being a minority. this resonates with voters. >> joe said he's peaking at the right time. maybe not. may be peaking a couple weeks too early. if you're an underdog, the time to peak is with about a week to
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go where it's too late for the other side to turn their attacks on you. >> we'll see what happens. we also -- talking about early, we're already seeing a showdown in 2016. rand paul. this guy and chris christie are going after each other. his most vocal supporters are saying he should run for president in 2016. his father, ron paul, is most notably going after in a big way christie. >> if you were the republican nominee in 2016, you wouldn't vote for him? >> no, i wouldn't do it, because he offered nothing. change is the status quo. it's more big government. that's not what i've been about. he talks about, well, you have to, you know, bend your rules and compromise in order to get elected so you can run the government and govern. well, there's more to it then that. more to it, to say and do
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anything you want, just to be in government, you have to believe in something or understand economics or you keep doing the same thing and deficits run up. >> yeah, of course. the only problem with what rand paul said -- by the way, i said i voted for the guy. 2012. what he's saying about chris christie, robert gibbs, just isn't true. i mean, he's not going around -- chris christie's not going around saying, you know, we're going to bend rules and compromise to get elected. he's saying, no, don't talk to unions in new jersey and say that chris christie compromises too much. don't talk to the democrats that he's rolled other in new jersey to a 71%, 72% approval rating. ron paul, even the other day, took a shot at me, saying i was a defender of the status quo and the establishment or something silly like that. we're the alternative media source here of course. what? but anyway, you know, just because i said i didn't thing rand paul was going to get
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elected president, which i don't think is really an outrageous thing to say. it looks like ron paul is out basically playing wingman to his son already. >> i thought it was interesting, you know, those reports that christie in speaking to the gop meeting yesterday said, look, i'm about winning, i'm not about a debating society. i'm not here to have these theoretical debates. i think the biggest problem though for chris christie, if you look at the lineup of candidates, the ted cruzes of the world, the rand pauls of the world, show in some ways that primary is going to be an ideological primary. it is going to be a debate about the direction and the scope of what the party is going to stand for. it's not just going to be about who can win an election. that tends to be what happens when you have an open -- have a more ideological primary. >> if i'm chris christie, i'm
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thrilled that ted cruz and marco rubio -- >> absolutely. >> and rand paul and rick santorum are all going out to iowa. you know what, there's going to be 1,000 people thinking i'm going to win this from the right and they're going to chop each other up. then you'll have a guy with a 72% approval rating in new jersey going out there. you get 25%, 30% of the vote, you win. >> i always believed a moderate could win the republican primaries by being the only moderate in the field. >> by the way, chris christie, a moderate, which is a republican -- >> we, the -- >> right now, the republican -- this guy is the first pro-life republican to be governor says roe v. wade, right, he's extraordinarily conservative on budgetary issues. extraordinarily conservative on union issues. the guy is a free marketeer. and yet he's a moderate?
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that's what i'm saying. there's a big space for it. >> the memorial service this wednesday up in scranton, p.a. bill scranton could not fit in today's republican party. >> by the way, he would be the moderate wing of the republican party and chris christie would be the very conservative wing of the party. >> but chris is clearly, in this field, the moderate. one moderate versus three or four conservatives, it's lining up very well for chris. >> it lines up very well for the moderate. not only did he say we're not a debating society, he said something that i say all the time. it's about winning. at the end of the day, you want to get -- bill buckley said it all the time, you want to get the most conservative candidate you can get that can actually win. chris christie said that yesterday. we're not a debating society, we're a political operation that needs to win. i'm in this business to win. i think some folks who believe our job is to be college professors. being a college professor, well,
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they basically spout out ideas but nobody ever does nianything about them. we have to win because if we don't win we don't govern. and if we don't govern, all we do is shout into the wind. i couldn't agree with that more. if you're a republican and you care about what republicans care about, do you really want barack obama to be president for eight years and appoint supreme court for eight years and then have hillary clinton for eight more years and appoint supreme court justice for eight more years? are you really going to take such extreme positions that you are going to chase voters that want to vote republican to the democratic party again? >> how do you stick to core conservative principles and say what you want to say and still get elected? and then as chris christie's pointing out, as you always point out too, you got to get elected. you got to win. the ability to win, that's the big deal. you got to match up what you say to get elected and then what you do once you do get elected.
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certainly, we've been talking about boston, what's going on at the rnc. a source wrote me yesterday. i had shawn spicer on. talking about how they're trying to include minority groups more. a source wrote me from d.c. saying, just saw the segment with shawn spicer. had to laugh out loud. my perspective, follow-through is probably what you expect it is, all talk and no action. while the republicans talk about this and newt gingrich is talking about hope and we need a more hopeful message, it is good talk, but where's the action? >> people like shawn spicer and other leaders of the party want them to move. the problem is it's the politico -- top politico story, eve of destruction, a little mellow dramatic, but talking about the republicans, all the things it that you go talk to republican leaders that are in charge in washington, d.c. or that want to be in charge in 2016. off the record, robert gibbs, they're more depressed and more down today.
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mike allen and -- wrote this article. then they were after barack obama's re-election. that things have gotten even worse inside the party. >> i guess in some ways i find that hard to believe. i guess they thought they were going to win in 2012 and that didn't happen. it is clear, i don't think the party will have a standard bearer for quite some time. they're going to have these intraparty discussions. the problem is the primaries, the caucuses, this process is not dominated by anything other than very, very strict social and economic conservatives. look at the debate we've had over the last sort of two weeks in the republican party. it is, we're not going to have debates on places like nbc and cnn. we're going to have our own debates. they're going to be mostly on fox. they might even be moderated by people like sean hannity and rush limbaugh. this is not a -- the primary
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process is not one that drags out moderates to pick a presidential candidate. i mean, look, i agree that chris christie, when you look at the sheer spectrum of him, is not a moderate. >> he's a conservative. >> he gets in this process as a moderate, he will get eaten alive. the republican party is not in danger of electing or nominating a moderate in this process. >> but moderate is now the find. and let's -- i'll give you the last word on this. and then we'll move on. moderate is now defined by some people on the hard right as just simply hating barack obama. as gingrich has said, as charles kra krauthammer has said on the government shutdown idea. as others have said. we can't be defined by what we're not. we have to be defined by what we believe and what we are. >> i think robert's slightly wrong. he's right about the makeup of the general primary voter. but chris christie in a field of
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five doesn't have to get more than 31%, 32%, to be a very viable candidate. and there are still, i believe, 30% of those republican voters who will vote for someone who's rationale and has a chance to win. >> coming up on "morning joe," from the new film "the butler," we've got willie with cuba gooding jr. and rocker turned actor lenny kravitz. later, the role of religion in our often hectic lives. faith on fridays. first, here's bill karins. >> this is chamber of commerce they call this weather. from the great lakes, ohio valley, through the northeast. let's take a look at the tropics. we know the weather's common in the lower 48. there's a tropical storm erin, our fifth storm of the season, but it's way out here in the atlantic. it has hostile conditions out ahead of it. not a concern at all. hurricane center takings es it to a tropical depression. no issues whatsoever.
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one of the reasons why you wanted to do this film is to explain in context to your son why when he goes into seven 11 and he's being followed. he doesn't understand this. son goes to a, you know, hoity toity school and -- >> right. >> you know, is not of this era and doesn't understand that. remember you said that? >> they don't know. they don't know. they don't understand why. >> that of course is the great oprah winfrey who joined mika and myself to discuss her new movie "the butler." along with director lee daniels. the film features a star-studded cast including cuba gooding jr.
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and lenny kravitz. now, willie sat down with those two actors to talk about their role in this a claimed film that comes out today. >> what's your name, brother? >> cecil gaines. >> i'm carter wilson, head butler. don't worry about the brother behind you. this brother over by the mirror, his name is james holloway. he's second in command. >> jackie robinson, wing man? >> why don't you shake his hand first before you ask difficult questions? >> looks like the jury's still out. >> give you the tour yet? >> he did. the dodgers still stealing? >> i might be able to answer that question if carlo over here would stop running his nasty mouth. >> people who have had the pleasure of seeing this movie have been jolted by it. critics, people who go to premieres. i had somebody say to me, i started crying halfway through and didn't stop till i got home later. >> wow. >> what is so moving about the story, cuba?
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>> i think it's just basically because it's one of those stories that resonates so much with people in terms of not just the historical facts of it, dealing with issues of the civil rights movement. the atrocities of some of the things that these kids on the buses, the freedom rider bus, had to endure. black and white. but also it's a touching story of family. between a father and his son. and the issues that they face as they both grow older. and i think there's a truth there. lee daniels is that type of filmmaker that he strives for truth in his work. brutal truth at times. but i think that the movie is really connecting with people. >> so how do you put yourself, lenny, back in that place and time, back in the era of segregation? you play one of the early butlers. back in a time before the civil rights movement had really exploded.
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how did you get into that character? >> i was fortunate enough to have parents that were involved in that. and friends of my parents. so i grew up in that kind of environment. you know, my parents got together in 1963, interracial couple. so they dealt with it, you know, the same but a whole other set of obstacles as well, and my grandfather always educated me when i was young about the foundation that was laid. and that's the beautiful thing about this movie. people, kids, whatever age you might be, that really don't know how we got from a to b. get to see how that foundation was laid. gets to see the type of sacrifice people had to make. >> lenny, as someone who comes from an international family, born of the 1960s, there was a lot of talk when president obama was elected in '08 that we were now a post-racial united states
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of america. as though a magic wand had been waved. >> yes, yes, yes, yes. >> what's your view on that? >> well, it just isn't so. i think a lot of people wanted it to be so. and at the time, i was touring in europe, and that was the question i got every day. when i was being interviewed. so, you know, america is not racist anymore. that's not the fact. when you have progress like that, you have people that are not down with that progress. they want to hold on to their old ways of thinking. the ways they were taught by their parents, their traditions. they want the world to remain a certain way. they begin to pull back. you know. then you have this tug-of-war. we have a great amount of racial unrest in this country. we all know that. but with each generation, we get better. and, you know, this movie's coming out at a very interesting
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time. with all that that's going on. with the trayvon martin case, et cetera, et cetera be. >> do you feel like the trayvon martin case brought out the worst in this country in terms of race? in other words, each side sort of went to their battle stations, rather than having a conversation about race, that we as a country claim to want to have all the time? this is a good moment, let's have a conversation on race. >> i think it's interesting that you see the frustration level went up with a lot of americans when the verdict came down because i think a lot of people were, like, surprised because they didn't see it turning out that way. and they didn't follow that case. they just assumed that they'd find him guilty and move on. i think there's a definite disconnect with the youth today in that what we had, lee daniels and i were giving this interview and there was this white, college-educated radio disc jockey who said he was a fan of a rapper who had a lyric in his rap song about sit-ins and he
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didn't understand what that meant until he saw "the butler." he didn't understand that there were kids -- you couldn't go into the front of a restaurant and eat or a diner and sit at a lunch counter that was whites only tiuntil he saw this movie. >> was it personally painful for either of you to go back and revisit this time in history? i know i shutter when i see food dumped on someone haeead sittin at a lunch counter. when i see dogs turned on children. is it hard to see that, even in a movie? >> it's difficult to watch but it's good that we remember. >> how do you describe the lee daniels experience -- >> ha! fasten your seat belt! the brother's nuts! >> you don't know what it's going to be. >> he's a taco shy a combination plate. he's crazy. >> he's intense. he's crazy. he's funny. >> he's an open book -- >> out of control and completely in control.
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>> he is -- >> so it's not chaos. >> oh, it's chaos but it's controlled in some sense. >> sometimes. >> it's controlled -- the whole thing -- i mean, when you watch the film, like, you see the vision. >> yeah. >> you see it. it's pretty amazing. if you're there to see how it happened, you know. >> that's right. but don't forget, you say it's controlled. it's controlled -- >> i'm trying to make the man look good. >> no, but it's good, because he finds the truth. >> yes. >> thank you, fella, appreciate it. >> any time, willie, good to see you. >> "lee daniels' the butler" is out in theaters today. coming up next, the power of prayer. father james martin is here for faith on fridays. if there's one truth in this life... you can't escape your demons. ♪ i thought i hung my tire chains up for good...
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day, oh dear lord, three things we pray, to love thee more dearly, to see thee more clearly, to follow thee more nearly. day by day. by day. amen. >> amen. >> okay. some people aren't really good at praying these days. we're talking to contributing editor of "america" magazine, father james martin, who's the author of the jesuit guide to almost everything. praying. so many people have fallen out of the habit. why is it important in our crazy lives? >> it's important to maintain a relationship with god. i always like to compare a prayer to a friendship. if you say you're a good friend with somebody, you'd ask the
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person how much time do you spend with that person. if they'd say no time, you'd say, what kind of friend are you? it's the same thing with god. prayer is really one-on-one time with god. i'm suggesting to carve out a little time for god. >> practically, what does it do for people? >> it connects you to the source of our being. it can calm you down physically. it's about a relationship. it's about being in a relationship with god. which is what most people say that they want. even people that can't pray like ben stiller. >> that's quite a prayer, isn't it? >> dr. suess, ben stiller, it all goes together. >> so you have obviously a lot of people talking about meditation. and whether it's meditation or whether it's prayer or whether it's a quiet time even for those who may -- who may not be connected to a faith. it slows you down. and it also, it makes you less focused on yourself, right?
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>> i think that's part of it. one of the things i suggest for people who are very busy is kind of maintain a contemplative attitude in the day. even if you're busy, you can see each moment as an opportunity to sort of connect with god. the jesuits call it a template of action. we kind of tend to focus on the problem. so look at things you're grateful for. and carve out that one-on-one time with you and god. >> is there anything -- this may sound, is there anything our digital way of life can do to kind of help us here or help people carve out more type? >> is there an app for that basically -- >> i didn't want to say that. >> leigh wants to know if there is a pray app. >> there are actually a lot. the stuff online can take us away, can make us very distracted. i think sometimes there are things online. there are websites called "pray as you go," sacred space, those kinds of places. you can be drawn into
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meditation. at some point, as you know, you do have to kind of disconnect in order to connect with god. >> i know every night before i hit the pillow, i say a prayer. it's part of what i do. it does comfort me. but it's more about gratitude, as you point out, about being thankful. but i don't go to church on sundays. i'll go for family events and things like that. but it does make me feel connected to my spirituality, connected to god, to take that time at the end of the day. which i think for so many of us, we're so busy, and some of us may not be the best at getting in the pews every sunday, or whatever religious affiliation we have. it does keep that connection, that channel to your spiritu spirituali spirituality. >> that's right, gratitude. the first step is gratitude. one of the reasons, when we look back, we tend to focus on problems. we're problem solvers. one of the benefits of a prayer like that, it sort of forces you to be grateful, to savor, as jesuits like to say, and to
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thank god. because we'll overlook those things as we go on to the next day. which makes it easier to see where god was and where god will be. >> big news in the lutheran church. the lutherans elected their first female presiding bishop. talk about that. >> very big news. they had elected -- excuse me, they had included gay clergy before, female bishops. but this is the first presiding bishop of what i think is the nation's largest lutheran congregation with some 4 million. so it's a pretty big deal. we now have women bishops and women priests very commonly in a lot of christian denominations. >> all right, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it. father james martin. by the way, speaking of these apps, it's interesting, when you first started going to church and you'd see people with ipads. like, really, seriously? instead of listening to the father preach. but, you know, most people like follow in church the bible on
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the ipad. >> i was doing a funeral once and someone answered their cell phone. >> well, yeah, exactly. >> and said, "i'm at a funeral and can't talk to you." >> i was in church and i was on my ipad and everybody in church heard a little "sportscenter" reminder in the middle of the sermon. coming up, another incident on stage of broadway's most expensive production. the accident that shut down last night's performance of "spider-man turn off the dark." yes, it's still with us and yes, there are still problems. "morning joe" will be right back. [ female announcer ] made just a little sweeter...
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"spider-man turn oftf the dark." you went to see this. >> we took our nephew. >> your nephew loved it. >> correct. that's where i stop talking about it. the daily us into news is repor 23-year-old actor is recovering from a serious injury after a misstep in last night's broadway performance. authorities say he caught his right ankle in a hydraulic lift. there are a lot of them on that stage. the show was canceled. as they attended to the actor. it's the latest accident for the mega budget production that was plagued with problems from the very beginning. back in december 2010. another performer took a 35 foot plunge into the orchestra pit when his harness snapped. an actor and dancer broke bones while attempting a sling shot flying technique. i'll tell you, the night we were there, somebody got caught over the stage. i'll tell you what, the tourists love it. the kids love it. >> it's packed. it is packed. >> i'll tell you, new yorkers
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are a little skeptical and cynical. but, i mean, it's making -- it's making money. it's filling the seats. >> the kids had fun. >> the kids like it. >> kids had fun. >> you're going to leave it there? all right. coming up next -- >> we need to get leigh a ticket. >> i think i need to see it. >> you need to pray and you need to go -- yeah, see "spider-man" and "the book of mormon." here's a question. what is this thing? right? chinese are trying to tell you it's a lion. when is a lion not a lion? well, when it's at a chinese zoo. we'll tell you more when we come back on "morning joe." right now, 7 years of music is being streamed. a quarter million tweeters are tweeting. and 900 million dollars are changing hands online. that's why hp built a new kind of server. one that's 80% smaller. uses 89% less energy. and costs 77% less. it's called hp moonshot. and it's giving the internet the room it needs to grow.
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all right, dateline for you, china, the sign on the cage in this picture reads african lion. but it is not. >> that's frightening. that thing looks scary. >> i cannot read chinese so i don't know if that really says african lion. >> it's mandarin. it says african lion in mandarin. i'm reading that right now. beware of african lion. >> what gave it away? the lion started to bark. it is a mastiff. the zoo also mislabeled another dog in a wolf pen. i was telling lewis earlier when i went to tijuana as an young man, they had a donkey painted
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as a zebra. it was literally painted. >> it was painted. >> for a buck, you could get a polaroid picture taken with it. >> did you do it? >> of course. >> do you have it still? >> i'll have to deg through the roberts archives. >> have you seen a real zonkey? >> i have not. >> would you like to give us your experience? >> no, but as a democrat, i feel very passionate about a zonkey. >> a zebra and a donkey. >> they cross breed zebras and donkeys. >> it's like labradoodles. >> right. >> it's time to get out of here. coming up next, i guess this is a really bad time to ask this, what, if anything, did we learn. >> i just learned something. hero: if you had a chance to go anywhere in the world,
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>> it seems to me there's a fairly simple solution, which is stop and frisk some white people. >> for new york liberals, this is always a difficult choice. willing to accept things like stop and frisk that they wouldn't accept in, say, kansas. >> the interim government here declared a state of energy effectively putting the country back under martial law. >> this country really is just in a state of anarchy. >> i'm going to boycott the company that puts the miniseries and the documentaries on the air. >> i like him a lot. i think we've all been this position where you have to defend something that's hard to defend. >> i don't know what you're talking about. >> my fellow americans. >> i love that guy. >> he's great. >> it's the movie star. >> how are you? ♪ oh, no ♪ please tell me we're dreaming ♪ >> she's going to pull those
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tears -- >> on "morning joe," if i need to get something done, i start crying and she just completely -- you just wanted to get oprah in bed. >> that's what he wanted. >> disgraceful. >> you should see the director's cut. >> politico must die. if "the washington post" is to live. it's on. what? what's that? >> politico's ready. we are ready. >> we have to work on your trash talk. >> why not use snap chat? >> i don't have a good answer for that. >> he's adorable. >> i think it's hilarious. this is definitely something you can explain to a child. put it on the internet. >> if you're going to win. anybody who knows new york politics knows that. did you ever hold a plaintan? >> i wouldn't hold it like that.
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>> hurtling through tubes at seven miles an hour. >> i did not like that in college one night. >> he's serenading his grandmother. >> disturbing. >> i don't understand. >> when you're talking to your grandmother, at least have grandmother on. >> okay what do you think of that? >> seriously. >> i might give the shoe back. >> robert. oh, robert. >> there you go. >> what is going on? >> ask her a question about the book fast. >> anyone here take ambien? i'll admit it. i did. i stopped. no. okay. wow. >> boy, you got hung out to dry yesterday. >> i did. thank you, willie, for that. >> i've never -- what, did you want me to lie? >> oh oh, please, please. sitting here by the way, there was a lighting failure. >> hey, willie, how you doing over there? >> how are you? willie? sam? >> you know, i'm glad that t.j. can play donna summers and make
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jokes about us not having lines. >> they're almost fixed. give us two minutes. ♪ tell me we're dreaming >> the goo nd news is, t.j. may have screwed up lighting but he edit that tape for the week in review. >> those effects are good. >> almost like anesthesia. way to go. time to talk about what we learned today. >> i learned happy money, one of their core principles is about money buying experiences as opposed to buying yourself expensive luxury items. i like that. experiences. >> i like that a lot. what about you, gov? >> i learned there's no end of evidence that a-rod's a bad guy. >> terrible. leigh. >> i loved "meet the parents." i always forget about the movie. and fortune. we have a new cover story on insider trading. we didn't talk about business today but it's great. >> the graying of insider
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trading. >> how hazy the rules really are. all right. t.j., what -- you can't even get the lighting right. if it's way too early, it's morning joe. i just want to make sure, is today friday? >> yes. we've confirmed today is friday. >> we've one firmed today is friday. yesterday, i said have a good weekend, but today i can actually say have a good weekend. >> the lawyers said yes. >> have a good weekend. we want to say good-bye to liz. she's been absolutely fantastic for 2 1/2 years. we love you, thank you so much. dan, going to brazil, going all the way to brazil to get married. of course, there's only one reason why that's happening. because nobody in america would -- dan, good luck. we will see you soon. if it's way too early, it's "morning joe." stick around. the fix is next. day of rage. egypt's unrest leads to hundreds of deaths and thousands of